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David Schnare's avatar

Parts of the constitution rise from common law, which, as I commented previously rises from quite ancient moral considerations. For example, the due process protections.

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Vincent W's avatar

I really want to be sympathetic to John's argument. I get the formalist considerations, the fear of judges making stuff up. But damn it, of all the people to invoke, Holmes? C'mon, that nihilist wasn't bound by the text any more than natural law.

I guess I find this John's weakest reply because it's really leaning into democratic legitimacy as a sort of throughline and hook, and I'm left sort of scratching my head. I've heard him say elsewhere that he's tolerant of natural law to the extent that it's used as a tool to figure out what public meaning was. I get that. That's an originalist approach. I'm undecided on it, but I get it. But what I don't really get is infusing that with what he's *calling* judicial humility. I just don't understand this argument. Why are myopic readings of the Constitution humble but reading general terms as general terms like Scalia also advocated somehow the expansionist role? It feels like he's selectively dropping the argument from objective evidence to make a separate case for "much democracy".

It presents to me like the answer is between these two poles. The constitution has broad guarantees in it. John wants to read broad incorporations out because of judicial "humility", but his best arguments sound to me in terms of public evidence: the constitution may incorporate the natural and common law, but that should solely and exclusively be informed by the meaning of text, not by either judicial restraint or by pre-constitutional moral theory. Judges have a comparative advantage in figuring out what text means, not which free floating moral facts govern all human hearts, or whatever poetry we use, or in determining when to beat defer to a bunch of sycophants in suits.

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