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Mike Doherty's avatar

It's not been clear to me on what basis or principal John Yoo predicates law. Is it simply the Constitution (as understood by judges) or are there underlying guided principles? I'd like to see John respond in writing in this Substack. He is after all, a devotee of McDonald's. And a long time ago when McDonald's once noted that they had sold over 500 million burgers, I was a McDonalds fryman.

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Paul Murphy's avatar

It seems to me that the debate is largely a consequence of the Gods vs no-Gods issue with one side solving the good versus evil component of this by claiming that might is right and the other side basing their claims on their understanding of rules seen as set by some external judge.

If so both sides are badly wrong.

The positivists contradict themselves by vesting moral authority in the ideal sovereign imagined (as is traditional among claimants to thrones) as a human representation of the God or Gods whose rules they deny. Ask one how the sovereign knows what's right... and the last mazurka unveiled will turn out to be natural law.

Most of natural law people, on the other hand, go wrong by mis-interpreting their own position.

Their fundamental claim is first that the obvious sense of justice and/or injustice exhibited by babies (as well as dogs, horses, and some other animals) demonstrates the existence of natural law; and, second, that human law should instantiate that sense of justice - and they'd be right if they stopped there, but they normally don't; going, instead, to the next step in asserting that the existence of natural law implies the existence of a law giver and so some form of external judgement on human action.

In reality, natural law can legitimately exist with, and without, recourse to super-human agency - meaning that discussions on the rights of man can be divorced from religious argument without loss of salience and that, of course would doom the legal positivists.

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