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PS — Keep this debate going, it is getting quite interesting.

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I’m with John Yoo in this debate. I think what makes a law "law" is that it is the command of a sovereign backed by the prospect of sovereign force. In a land where there are only warlords and bandits, there is certainly no "law," whether you premise it on positivism or natural law. It is war against all, and the only natural right is might.

That does not mean I reject as worthless the natural law tradition or its Lockean version. The Founders were motivated by intuitions of morality and justice they attributed to natural law, natural right, and "justice" writ large. And these intuitions were shared to a remarkable degree among them and their society. But the work of the Constitution Convention was to fashion these intuitions into a foundational “law.” The effort succeeded, and John Yoo and I are quite happy with the result. Even from a consequentialist perspective, the results over 250 years have been extraordinary.

The Founders could not anticipate every issue and every context, and their moral intuitions and natural law outlook are no longer shared widely in our society. One of the commenters illustrates the point: In many states the murder of a pregnant woman is also treated as the murder of the fetus she carries, the fetus being considered a human life. At the same time, the state says it is legal to abort that very same pregnancy, that very same fetus, who is not considered a human life. Do we contradict ourselves? Very well, then we contradict ourselves. (We are large, we contain multitudes).

I cannot think that a judge could or should rule against slavery or abortion in a jurisdiction that authorized it on the ground that the law was not really a "law" given the "brooding omnipresence" of natural law. At least the appellate court will likely see it that way. His opinion can argue that the law is unjust and ought to be different, and end in a a terse and unhappy statement of the prescribed result, but I think that is the best he can hope to do. And in cases where the law is not so clear — such as Dred Scott, where a slave escaped to a free territory, or in a state that treats a fetus like a kind of Schrodinger's cat — conflicting laws may give the judge some elbow room to engage his moral intuitions.

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